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host and we have another great evening

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for you a great guest John Ramirez he

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was on I think over a year ago and uh

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was one of the highest listened to or

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highest downloaded show so I'm excited

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to bring it back and talk to him about

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what he's you know what's occurred since

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uh he's been out there talking a little

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bit here and there about it he was out

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in Phoenix I was really looking looking

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forward to meeting him but of course

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that was canceled for me I didn't make

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it out there but it's a pleasure to have

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him back on no blog this week Charles

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Lear the Blogger will be on our show

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next week he did a five-part series and

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uh he's going to be talking about that

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and uh and the week after that we have

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Avi Loeb is uh back on the show as well

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so that's what we have going on anyone

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can support the show um all you have to

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do is go over to podcast ufo.com and uh

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the support of the show is on the top

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menu and anyone could do that for just a

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everyone that listens to the show

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everyone that watches the show you know

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I was looking uh recently the other day

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and there's

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2.4 million podcasts it seems like they

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have grown like crazy since covid

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happened

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I think when I started this it was

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I want to say uh it was under a million

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back uh over 11 years ago but it's

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really grown really a big time so what

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I'm getting at is I really do you have a

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lot of choices and I really do

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appreciate the fact that you are

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watching and listening and for those of

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you who support the show I really do

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appreciate that as well so it's time to

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bring in our guest welcome back John

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uh Martin thanks for having me back on

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podcast UFO it has been a long time and

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I truly wanted to speak with you in

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person uh back at the international UFO

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Congress that was held in October

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right I heard that went really well for

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you uh I I enjoyed it very much yes yeah

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I spoke with Alejandro about it

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afterwards he said he was very pleased

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with your talk so I and I want to touch

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a little bit on that but first of all

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for the person that didn't catch uh you

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on the show last time if you would just

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kind of go into a nutshell of your

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background and uh I know you're in the

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Navy back in the 70s and then you got

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into uh intelligence I believe it was

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was it

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1984-2009 the CIA and uh so if you would

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just give your your background and then

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I'd like to jump right into uh what's

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um since we last spoke

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uh sure Martin uh when I was in the Navy

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in the 70s I was in a field called

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electronic warfare

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and that job was primarily to defend the

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ship uh using uh electronic Jammers and

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other techniques that we had such as

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chaff Rockets as well as collect and

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intercept signals from our adversary

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ships that might be out there and

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identified them as either threat or

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non-threat and that led to a career in

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the similar field at CIA where I was a

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second officer for the Central

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Intelligence Agency so we think of NSA

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as being the second agency and they are

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the primary second agency but Cia has a

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very capable second capability of

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ourselves and the service of a certain

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of our own operations technical

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collection operations uh was a field

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that I was in

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uh for CIA as well as the analysis of uh

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for lack of a better term threatening

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Russian and uh so that led to

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um some exposure with how the Russians

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were reacting with their Radars toward

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what we would today call uaps and so

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they had Radars that were able to detect

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these objects out in space and because

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of their interest then we became

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interested in what the Russians were

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seeing and how they were evaluating

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these objects so I didn't know too much

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about what we did in the country because

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uh CIA is prohibited from collecting

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intelligence in the country

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uh that's for other departments and

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agencies of the government such as the

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FBI or now uh Department of Homeland

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Security but we're primarily a foreign

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intelligence agency and so we did know

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that the Russians were very interested

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in the UAP topic and used their uh

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sensors to collect against them

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and that's how I got into

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the entire field but I never had any

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kind of uh nda's related specifically to

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UFOs I did not know about the

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exploitation of these UFOs that may have

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occurred but later on uh but just

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putting pieces together from foia I was

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able to read not only between the lines

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but behind the lines and I was able to

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surmise I think rather accurately of

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Internet issue I apologize but uh so I

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can't tell when you stop talking right

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there but uh so uh last time you were on

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uh you had mentioned that

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um you were looking for medical records

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and I just wondered if those ever came

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in were you ever able to verify anything

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no uh I would not receive those records

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personally uh CIA considers our medical

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records to be CIA property

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however what I did was submit a letter

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to the information and privacy

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coordinator at CIA and requested that

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the CIA send those records

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to a physician and I would not see them

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but the physician would see them and so

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that's what I did and I don't know if

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that particular physician has received

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those records it was not my personal

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physician it was one recognized by the

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odni as having clearances and so I

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needed to use a physician with

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clearances with the odni in order to

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receive those records

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for him to receive it I don't know if if

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that particular physician has received

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well this is a this is such a strange

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thing to me why you can't actually

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observe your own medical records and I'm

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uh what is the security issue logic to

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well the medical records will also

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contain uh places I've been on behalf of

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CIA and foreign in the foreign field and

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that I may have been inoculated for

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certain types of diseases bacteria

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viruses whatever uh and that particular

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region so when you look at my medical

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record you can put together where I as a

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CI officer might have served under a

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different identity a different name a

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completely different identity in order

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to conduct an operation for CIA so if

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you look at the records it tells you

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where I went to and what inoculations

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may have had if I had any kind of uh

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medical issue in the field it will list

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you know where I was and what that

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particular issue might have been so you

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can reconstruct a CIA officer's entire

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overseas background from the medical

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record and that is why it's considered

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access to my security file as well or my

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personnel file which is classified for

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75 years after I retired so add 75 to

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2009 and uh that's the year uh that I

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would that if I'm I won't be alive so

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that's the year that somebody can foil

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my uh my uh my files at that time

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wow well so uh yeah I I total I I do get

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I do understand that so what were you ho

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I can't remember what you're hoping to

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find in your medical records if if you

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could have someone look at them for you

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uh it was the incident I had with

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nosebleeds I I was bleeding a lot from

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my right nostril ever since I was a

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child I always had this this bleeding

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issue where it would just bleed for no

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um and it sort of subsided

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and the interesting part is that uh the

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bleeding was associated with a memory of

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having visitors in my bedroom

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so something caused my nose to bleed

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coincidentally I had a memory whether

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it's a dream or an actual occurrence of

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visitors in my bedroom who are not human

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and so I had this nosebleed at work and

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grabbed a box of tissues uh the receipt

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rolled back it's an office chair with

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wheels it rolled back and I landed on my

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back and my co-workers called The Office

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of Medical Services and security and

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they escorted me up to the Office of

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that's where I learned that they said oh

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by the way did you know that have you

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ever had any surgery in your right

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nostril and said no well there's a

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precise surgical cup very deep

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and your right nostril and we can see it

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and this doctor called another doctor

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and said look at this and he said oh wow

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you know and they had a sidebar

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discussion uh and I don't know what they

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were talking about they came back said

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well we can fix it oh by the way we want

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to remove something

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in that area will you allow us to remove

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it I said sure go ahead and remove it so

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they removed some tissue maybe they was

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just cleaning the area and then they

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proceeded to uh do a colorization of

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that particular surgical site and I

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didn't have any problems after that

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and so I was wondering uh what did they

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remove uh was it an implant for example

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uh because I remember having these

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nosebleeds coincident with visitors and

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so I was hoping that maybe uh the

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medical file might give me more detail

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about exactly what did they find and if

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they took the sample and did any kind of

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analysis what was uh what were the

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results of the analysis

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hmm wow interesting now when you were on

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before you said that you were going to

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talk about

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visitors but on another podcast you I

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guess you had promised them it was going

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to be like an exclusive at the time

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um are you able to talk more about that

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um and these I think were childhood

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issues that you had right

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uh yes um I wouldn't call it an issue um

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because well when you're a child yeah

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yeah you don't know it's an issue yeah

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um I would say this

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um a lot of parents have children

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who talk about imaginary Playmates

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and I would submit that those Playmates

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may not be that imaginary at all because

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when I was small I had similar types of

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experiences uh not necessarily Playmates

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um being led to a house

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and by a woman who is not my mother and

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walking through the front door and it's

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like a Victorian A-Frame house with a

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Turret on the left side wrap around

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porch and I went in and immediately to

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the left it was a doctor's office I was

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greeted by a nurse and a doctor and they

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wore like

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very old uh like historical medical Garb

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I would say like Victorian type of Garb

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and I looked around and it was like

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Victorian type of instruments and uh

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they examined me they addressed me and

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they examined me

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and then they dressed me and this woman

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would lead me back out again and then I

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would have a memory of waking up and

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this was a recurring type of experience

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um and so I don't know if it was just a

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dream or if it was a cover memory of

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something else that may have occurred

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um I don't know but my mother tells me

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that I've never had any type of doctor's

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visit like that and she would be there

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of course my parents would be there if

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their child was being examined by a

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doctor naturally the parents would be

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there but my parents were not

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accompanying me in any of these visits

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that I've occurred and there were more

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than one at least like two or three of

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these types of visits sometimes on the

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ground floor and sometimes on the second

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floor

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of this particular house

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and uh wow and so your mother had no

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idea this was going on

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no whatsoever no she says you've never

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been you've never been to a doctor like

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that

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wow and uh do you remember it being far

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away from where you were

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I don't know if there's any sense of

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distance I just do know that at the time

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I lived in the town of Petersburg

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Virginia which is about 25 miles south

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of Richmond Virginia on uh US Route One

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and so directly 25 miles south is the

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town of Petersburg and at that time they

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had uh many Antebellum homes

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a homes built after the Civil War and in

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the early Victorian early 1900s period

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that looked like those types of houses

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that I saw and so perhaps it was like a

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cover memory for me that I would like

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uh wow uh can can you hear me okay yes I

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and I would go on um another experience

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I had was uh being in a department store

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a five and dime as we called them back

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then and seen a book that opened up and

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on the lower left corner of the book

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was a um

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diagram or a drawing of two humans that

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were like primitive humans like cave

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dwelling humans lifting up a baby and

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above the baby was assault two saucers

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what are them shining a light on the

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woman who lifted up this baby and the

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message there was that

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um

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You

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this is who you are and I asked my

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mother to

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um buy the book I went and got her and

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it was no more than not even a minute

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and the book disappeared where I laid it

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uh laid it down

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to uh have it purchased so I couldn't

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find the book at all but I clearly

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Chad I'm going to come in I think that

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he has some technical issues uh

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technical issues I'm just going to read

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a couple of the questions that are

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comments that are coming in from the

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chat room sure

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um foreign

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it says here that well you already

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mentioned how old you were when this

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happened correct uh I was about six

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years old yeah

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and someone else mentions I wonder how

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this relates to Jacque Valley's control

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hypothesis if you have any opinion of

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that

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I don't know what I I am probably the

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worst threat

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person in ufology I don't know what that

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is

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actually

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I don't read a lot of uthology books

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because for me I experienced the

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phenomenon and I don't need to read a

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book to explain it to me I know what I

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experience so I don't know what that

380
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that means if you could explain it to me

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I can respond I'm actually not familiar

382
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it was just a comment that came in but I

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do want to ask you because uh a few days

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ago they came out with a proposal a

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fiscal budget for the UAP underwater uh

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and I saw a number of 650 million and

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one of the things that caught my

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attention in this document is the

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protection for whistleblowers that are

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possibly working for uh intelligence

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agencies or contractors and giving them

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I guess more protection of being able to

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come forward without retribution from

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within the intelligence committee all

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contractors have you heard anything are

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you familiar with any of that and what

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would your opinion be of that I I I'm

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not familiar with the Davies budget

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requests for UAP research so that's news

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to me I can say that the overall

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intelligence budget that is

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um from the title 50 side that is the

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civilian intelligence budget controlled

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by the office Director of National

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Intelligence

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it's unclassified that it's like 90

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billion dollars

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and on the military intelligence side

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it's much less than that it's

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um well actually I misspoke the entire

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budget is about 90 billion and about uh

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60 billion goes to the civilian side and

413
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30 billion goes to the military side

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this isn't the defense budget this is

415
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the defense intelligence budget so out

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of that perhaps there is money set aside

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for the Navy

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um as far as whistle blows go The

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Whistleblower protection act has been on

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the books for quite some time it's

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nothing new what they wanted to do is

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enhance the ability for whistleblowers

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to come forward so that they can redress

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their grievances more effectively and so

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they not be ignored so now it sets time

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limits that it's not that a

427
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whistleblower can come on

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um podcast UFO and spill all the beans

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it doesn't allow for that what it does

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allow for is that the Whistleblower can

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go to his or her own

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management and if the management does

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not uh address the issue then that

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whistleblower can go to the Inspector

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General of his or her department or

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agency

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and if the Inspector General does not

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satisfy The Whistleblower in addressing

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the grievance then The Whistleblower is

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actually free to go directly to Congress

441
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and the directly to Congress didn't

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exist before we were prohibited from

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contacting members of Congress we would

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have to go through the office of

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legislative affairs or Congressional

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Affairs in each of our respective

447
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agencies and departments but now the

448
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Whistleblower can go straight to

449
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Congress and Report something that

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um might deal with not necessarily uaps

451
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but just a waste of money

452
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um corruption you name it that can be

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brought up to Congress John I think the

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problem is that it's bipartisan I truly

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believe there is a bipartisan

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Congressional opinion that they want

457
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information from the agencies and the

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agencies are reluctant to give them

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anything they it seems even classified

460
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in a classified setting it seems like

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they're reluctant to give it to anyone

462
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involved with Congress I don't know if

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this has to do with leaks

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um or looking at them in a certain way

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but

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this could be an a way for those

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individuals like you just mentioned to

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approach Congress directly

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to come forward because they're not

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getting they're not getting the

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information that they want from the

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agencies

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yeah uh The Whistleblower protection act

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doesn't necessarily address the NDA

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issue that's in a separate part of the

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uh intelligence authorization act for

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fiscal year 23. it does address the NDA

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issue but there is I wouldn't call it a

479
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loophole maybe I should but what it

480
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allows is for people with information

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regarding uaps of non-human origin that

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those ndas or for lack of a better term

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null and void that they're now able to

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come forward

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with information about

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uaps that are truly non-human

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non-terrestrial in origin without

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retribution and then that aligned with

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the Whistleblower protection act that's

490
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like a

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little bit more strength for those

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individuals I count myself as one of

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those individuals I'm sitting on

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something that I think people should

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know that has nothing to do with

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anything the Air Force or any service

497
00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:02,539
of the Department of Defense may have

498
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derived the technology from a UAP and

499
00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:07,500
adapt it for human use it may be

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squirreled away in a hangar or under the

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ground or whatever Under the Sea

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um it's the legislation still protects

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those types of vehicles so you're not

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going to get people coming out and

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saying oh we have a reproduction vehicle

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scrolled away in a Mojave Desert that's

507
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not going to happen because the law says

508
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as it is written that that's still

509
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protected

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of that technology

511
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you know where is the original craft

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and where did you derive that technology

513
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from that's non-human technology and

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that is what uh the legislation

515
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addresses I I still am very speculative

516
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that they would even use the term

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extraterrestrial interdimensional right

518
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now it seems everything is adversarial

519
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and they seem to come up with

520
00:24:02,630 --> 00:23:59,900
explanations oh these drones

521
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are you optimistic that they're actually

522
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,679
going to come forward individuals to

523
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:06,720
claim that they're extraterrestrial in

524
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nature well inside inside these agencies

525
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and departments um uh the fact that they

526
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,679
are of off-world origin or maybe on

527
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world origin they're they're hiding

528
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somewhere uh that's not unusual to

529
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consider uh what you're hearing I

530
00:24:29,090 --> 00:24:27,659
believe what we've heard were

531
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um I wouldn't call them leaks

532
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necessarily I call them

533
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um

534
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I would call them like pre-dissemination

535
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information

536
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uh that uh in order to deflect The

537
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,179
Narrative from the rest of us civilians

538
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I'm no longer have clearances and I'm

539
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,220
longer in CIA so I count myself as a

540
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civilian in order to deflect the

541
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conversation The Narrative that they're

542
00:25:00,529 --> 00:24:58,140
saying these things just to dispel any

543
00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:00,539
excitement any kind of like anticipation

544
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:04,020
that may that may have accrued over this

545
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,919
upcoming UAP report the second one so

546
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you know just to say yeah most of them

547
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:11,220
were Chinese drones I think that's

548
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disingenuous of the source perhaps from

549
00:25:20,750 --> 00:25:17,580
within the Pentagon that allow certain

550
00:25:22,909 --> 00:25:20,760
news outlets to hear that information

551
00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:22,919
I think a lot of individuals that are

552
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:24,779
out there that whether it's civilian or

553
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,240
military or in this the alphabet

554
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:29,520
agencies they're afraid to come forward

555
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,659
because I'm seeing a lot of the comments

556
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,120
in the chat right now and they're just

557
00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:35,360
in fear of their losing their careers

558
00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:38,700
being threatened yeah I mean if you look

559
00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:41,820
at and I was laughing at when the FAA

560
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:43,140
said they were going to look at this

561
00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:45,720
people that and I've known pilots in the

562
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:47,880
past that have told me that they've

563
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:49,080
witnessed something but they're afraid

564
00:25:53,690 --> 00:25:51,059
to say anything due to their careers and

565
00:25:55,789 --> 00:25:53,700
their jobs because they'll be sent for a

566
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:55,799
psyche vow immediately right you know

567
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,240
they don't want to risk their career

568
00:26:01,850 --> 00:25:59,279
their livelihoods and what affects their

569
00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:01,860
families it's very difficult for a

570
00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:03,659
person to come forward regardless how

571
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,980
much you protect them because there's

572
00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:06,720
always going to be a way to Target that

573
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:08,700
person and make life miserable for that

574
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,100
whistleblower right so what needs to

575
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:13,200
happen I believe is

576
00:26:16,730 --> 00:26:13,799
um

577
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:16,740
people above my pay grade who have the

578
00:26:20,890 --> 00:26:18,900
information to come forward themselves

579
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:20,900
and I'm talking about

580
00:26:26,649 --> 00:26:24,240
former secretaries of defense former

581
00:26:31,010 --> 00:26:26,659
directors of these various agencies

582
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:31,020
that had the UAP portfolio UFO portfolio

583
00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:32,480
from day one

584
00:26:38,990 --> 00:26:35,880
to come forward and

585
00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:39,000
lead the way for everyone else if they

586
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:41,700
will come forward and said this is what

587
00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:45,539
I know about this phenomenon and do it

588
00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:47,640
under oath before a congressional

589
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:51,900
committee that serves as the role model

590
00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:55,140
for everyone else if you get a former

591
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:57,659
director of CIA coming forward under

592
00:27:03,649 --> 00:27:00,840
oath saying I know that these vehicles

593
00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:03,659
are not from this planet I know that

594
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:05,700
there are non-human intelligences

595
00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:08,400
involved with the presence of these

596
00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:10,500
vehicles and I know that the US

597
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:13,559
government has had contact with these

598
00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:16,020
non-human intelligences going back to

599
00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:17,460
the 1950s

600
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:20,279
and saying that under oath I mean that

601
00:27:26,029 --> 00:27:22,860
right there is a watershed moment that

602
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:26,039
is a Pandora's Box that needs to happen

603
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:28,740
now whether that will happen

604
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:31,080
my guess as good as your guess I don't

605
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:33,960
know but I'm hoping that that is what

606
00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:37,440
would happen because having a gs-15 like

607
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,779
me or gg15

608
00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:41,760
um the Department of Defense uses GG

609
00:27:48,409 --> 00:27:46,260
versus GS gg15 Lou Elizondo or even uh

610
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,419
Jim Simi band who was in a senior exec

611
00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:51,360
senior intelligence Services uh even at

612
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:53,460
that level you actually need somebody

613
00:27:58,510 --> 00:27:55,740
who headed an agency headed a department

614
00:28:02,110 --> 00:27:58,520
to do the same because we can be on

615
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:02,120
podcasts every every minute of the day

616
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:04,980
forever and you know it doesn't break

617
00:28:09,769 --> 00:28:07,320
the ice really it really doesn't but you

618
00:28:12,409 --> 00:28:09,779
need somebody with that authority to say

619
00:28:15,230 --> 00:28:12,419
so right well let's see if Martin is

620
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:15,240
back Martin are you back I I am I am

621
00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:18,120
back uh I had them paying my whatever

622
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,580
you call it the router or whatever and

623
00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:23,279
uh I'm just having really low up speed

624
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:26,279
uh upload speed so I just shut my camera

625
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:28,440
off uh which is good for you because it

626
00:28:33,289 --> 00:28:31,380
shows your logo Bill all right gentlemen

627
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:33,299
enjoy it and have a great yeah keep your

628
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:35,100
keep your ear to this yeah hopefully

629
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:37,620
I'll be able to stay in so uh I don't

630
00:28:42,049 --> 00:28:40,020
know what I missed John but uh it was

631
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:42,059
kind of interesting when I came back

632
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,620
thank you Bill

633
00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:47,039
um John I remember you mentioned that

634
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:52,200
you saw you witnessed on some satellite

635
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:55,260
um I or or a group of satellites these

636
00:29:01,850 --> 00:28:59,279
orange orbs flying in formation and

637
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:01,860
right almost like under intelligent

638
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:04,559
control at some point this was something

639
00:29:09,409 --> 00:29:07,620
that you in in your job because

640
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,419
right I mean this had to do with what

641
00:29:12,769 --> 00:29:10,799
you were doing

642
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:12,779
yeah there are two parts of the story

643
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:17,100
one occurred in the 90s uh when uh the

644
00:29:22,669 --> 00:29:19,740
Russian ballistic missile early warning

645
00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:22,679
system detected objects

646
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:25,740
uh that excited them to the point that

647
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:28,140
they raised the Readiness of their

648
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:30,600
strategic rocket forces

649
00:29:35,769 --> 00:29:33,600
and because they raised the Readiness of

650
00:29:39,769 --> 00:29:35,779
these strategic rocket forces naturally

651
00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:39,779
that cued us as to a situation where we

652
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,340
needed to observe what they were doing

653
00:29:45,169 --> 00:29:43,440
because basically they were ready to

654
00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:45,179
launch at that point or getting ready to

655
00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:46,440
launch not

656
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:49,140
perhaps preparations to launch because

657
00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:52,320
of what they saw and their Radars uh the

658
00:29:56,990 --> 00:29:54,260
objects they saw

659
00:29:59,690 --> 00:29:57,000
were not satellites they ruled out

660
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,700
satellites and they eventually ruled out

661
00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:01,919
a ballistic missile attack from the

662
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,500
United States because they too have

663
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,720
infrared sensors that watch for launches

664
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,120
from the continental United States from

665
00:30:13,549 --> 00:30:11,279
the oceans of the submarine launch

666
00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:13,559
ballistic missiles and they knew that we

667
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,299
didn't launch anything but yet here

668
00:30:21,889 --> 00:30:18,000
comes a bunch of objects flying in their

669
00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:21,899
space that they could detect and so that

670
00:30:28,029 --> 00:30:25,260
raised their awareness level which then

671
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:28,039
I was responsible for

672
00:30:33,470 --> 00:30:31,260
writing up a memorandum for the deputy

673
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:33,480
secretary of defense at the time who was

674
00:30:40,269 --> 00:30:36,779
John Deutsch and so my colleague and I

675
00:30:42,529 --> 00:30:40,279
uh both worked on this and we delivered

676
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,539
I was the principal author and we

677
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:45,360
delivered the uh memorandum to John

678
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:47,700
Deutsch's briefer of course these

679
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:49,320
principles that get briefed every

680
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,799
morning as to what happened uh within

681
00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:54,960
the last 24 hours and they are half an

682
00:30:59,210 --> 00:30:57,419
opportunity to ask questions of the

683
00:31:01,789 --> 00:30:59,220
briefer the brief will come back to the

684
00:31:03,649 --> 00:31:01,799
agency and then cue up the subject

685
00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:03,659
matter experts on whatever the question

686
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:06,120
might deal with in this case it was the

687
00:31:10,909 --> 00:31:07,679
ballistic missile early warning system

688
00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:10,919
and what they detected and so I was able

689
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:12,779
to deliver that memorandum to John

690
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:15,600
Deutsch that was one part the second

691
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:17,700
part was

692
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:22,860
um years later uh in the early 2000s we

693
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:25,260
detected from uh

694
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:28,860
certain Electro Optical sensors the

695
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:31,919
presence of these orbs flying over

696
00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:35,100
Russia now at that point

697
00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:37,260
the first thing you do is rule out the

698
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,520
obvious do the Russians have a type of

699
00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:44,399
Aerospace vehicle with the capabilities

700
00:31:51,010 --> 00:31:47,159
that our sensors detected

701
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:51,020
and so what we did my my Branch

702
00:31:58,010 --> 00:31:55,440
we were analysts of very Advanced

703
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:58,020
Russian aircraft systems and some of

704
00:32:03,409 --> 00:31:59,640
these aircraft systems carried something

705
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,419
called plasma stealth generators that

706
00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:04,799
could actually

707
00:32:11,389 --> 00:32:07,860
create a plasma field around that

708
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:11,399
aircraft as it's flying in order to hide

709
00:32:17,389 --> 00:32:14,340
itself from our Radars so they had that

710
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,399
technology and so we ruled out that it

711
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:19,440
was plasma stealth generators

712
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:23,039
and uh I would say that you know at that

713
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:24,299
point

714
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,140
um

715
00:32:30,350 --> 00:32:26,880
ruling that out

716
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:30,360
it then went to other agencies to rule

717
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:32,220
out what they thought it might be

718
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:36,720
and it was necessary then to convene a

719
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:39,000
working group of what we call the

720
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:41,880
interagency working group and for us it

721
00:32:49,250 --> 00:32:44,880
would be like the Big Five Sisters uh

722
00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:49,260
NSA CIA Dia nro NGA National geospatial

723
00:32:55,389 --> 00:32:52,140
Intelligence Authority uh to convene

724
00:32:58,970 --> 00:32:55,399
together along with our contractors

725
00:33:03,430 --> 00:32:58,980
and to meet on this as to determine what

726
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:06,470
when this happened and you know I do

727
00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:08,340
apologize for the uh issues here not

728
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:10,440
being able to be up there on camera uh

729
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,799
but when this happened did you uh would

730
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:16,080
the United States or some uh

731
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,880
organization

732
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:19,679
um in the that you would contact

733
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:23,100
actually contact the Russians and say

734
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:26,399
something like uh we are we have no idea

735
00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:28,380
what these we realize these aren't yours

736
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:31,140
they they aren't ours uh we have no idea

737
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:32,580
what they are I mean is there any type

738
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,000
of work like that or is that all just uh

739
00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:38,159
like because of the cold war nobody

740
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:40,620
talked to anybody well this is after the

741
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:44,159
Cold War this isn't the Soviet era uh

742
00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:46,260
what I described before in terms of

743
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:47,640
radars

744
00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:51,120
uh being able to detect these objects uh

745
00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:52,980
that was during the Russian Federation

746
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,840
period of the 90s so the Cold War is

747
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,360
Over yeah and this was also

748
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,000
um in the early 2000s so there was no

749
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,159
cold war and it was over as to answer

750
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,080
your question we do have uh

751
00:34:08,329 --> 00:34:06,000
conversations with the Russians of a

752
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:08,339
technical nature particularly because of

753
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,679
of treaty monitoring of treaty

754
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:12,480
compliance that when they launched

755
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:14,460
ballistic missiles to test the ballistic

756
00:34:18,409 --> 00:34:16,500
missiles they tell us that they're

757
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,419
launching ballistic missiles that tell

758
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:20,460
us the time frame and actually gives us

759
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:22,859
a chance to cue up our sensors so that

760
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:24,839
we can collect against those ballistic

761
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,240
missiles and we do the same we tell the

762
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:29,760
Russians we're launching a Minute Man 3

763
00:34:36,530 --> 00:34:33,659
from Vandenberg uh uh base and it's

764
00:34:38,329 --> 00:34:36,540
going to land in kwajalein atoll and so

765
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:38,339
they are queued up that we are also

766
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:41,339
conducting tests this is to prevent an

767
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:45,899
accidental nuclear war so we do that as

768
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:49,260
far as uaps if it it deals with a sensor

769
00:34:54,070 --> 00:34:52,080
system that is extremely sensitive that

770
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:54,080
would be used to

771
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:58,500
monitor the Soviet military advancements

772
00:35:02,089 --> 00:35:00,839
for example we don't want our

773
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:02,099
adversaries to know what those

774
00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:04,740
capabilities are so I would say we would

775
00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:05,700
not

776
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:10,020
tell the Russians that we detected uaps

777
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:11,820
over your territory

778
00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:15,599
but having said that it's no secret it's

779
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,640
not classified that there are things

780
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:20,400
known as agents and these are foreign

781
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:22,380
citizens

782
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,300
who we hire

783
00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:26,400
in order to spy against their own

784
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:28,940
government that is what a true agent is

785
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:32,640
and so assuming that there are agents in

786
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:35,400
our employee uh sometimes they tell us

787
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:37,980
what their leadership is concerned about

788
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:41,040
and that's how we know uh that you know

789
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:42,359
they are concerned that they have

790
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:44,220
detected it so there's no need for us to

791
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:46,500
tell them what they already know

792
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:48,900
and so through other means of collecting

793
00:35:55,069 --> 00:35:51,780
uh intelligence we know that there is a

794
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:55,079
heightened interest in uaps in Russia

795
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,680
and of course uh uh George Knapp uh went

796
00:36:01,609 --> 00:36:00,480
over there and gathered a lot of

797
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,619
documents

798
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:03,359
I think what are they called threat

799
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:05,339
three documents I I don't know the

800
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,859
correct nomenclature but these documents

801
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:09,839
show that there was an interest and the

802
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,119
entire subject back during the Soviet

803
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:14,640
era and so

804
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:16,140
that's the best answer I could give you

805
00:36:21,130 --> 00:36:17,940
I mean I don't think we needed to tell

806
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:21,140
them what they already knew

807
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:22,740
wow

808
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:25,140
um so I'm sure since you left

809
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,579
um which was in 2009 I'm not sure but I

810
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:31,680
would guess that there'd be a lot more

811
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:34,680
of these type of things detected

812
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:36,420
I mean you have no way of knowing this

813
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:38,820
right I I have no way of knowing it um

814
00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:41,820
what I know is what uh was released in

815
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:43,859
the preliminary assessment the

816
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,020
unclassified preliminary assessment that

817
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:48,960
was actually put together in a hurry uh

818
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,140
for public consumption uh that's why I

819
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:54,240
was so poorly written in my opinion uh

820
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:56,160
CI officer did not write that because we

821
00:37:00,770 --> 00:36:58,140
wouldn't write that poorly

822
00:37:02,569 --> 00:37:00,780
um it's just a little

823
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:02,579
A little dab at the Department of

824
00:37:05,230 --> 00:37:03,599
Defense

825
00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:05,240
um but uh

826
00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:08,220
there were like 144

827
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,200
objects

828
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,720
under study by the UAP task force of

829
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:14,640
which one was a balloon and three of

830
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:16,740
them must have been Tic Tac go fast and

831
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:19,560
gimbal so that leaves 140 unknowns and

832
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:22,440
they did have the other category and I

833
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:23,880
don't know what's in the other category

834
00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:26,700
but obviously there's been a lot more

835
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,359
detection of these uh objects uh in

836
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,640
recent years and I I would think that

837
00:37:37,550 --> 00:37:35,040
there have been more detections all the

838
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:37,560
time it's just that in the 90s we

839
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,800
finally had the uh technical means to

840
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:43,200
actually do something called uh

841
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:45,540
multi-spectral

842
00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:52,980
that saw four color bands of ir now you

843
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:55,260
have hyperspectral as eight or more and

844
00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:57,420
because we improved our sensor

845
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:59,220
capabilities

846
00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:01,500
um then we were able to more accurately

847
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:04,200
discern what was in our our space

848
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:05,520
and

849
00:38:12,589 --> 00:38:10,260
these objects these orbs that were not

850
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:12,599
like metallic saucers

851
00:38:18,349 --> 00:38:16,320
now you would say okay uh why why were

852
00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:18,359
they interested in orbs right because

853
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,180
maybe we have vehicles that were

854
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:23,280
exploited hidden in some Hangar

855
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,500
somewhere in the desert so why would the

856
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:27,599
ores be such a big deal right but it's a

857
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:29,880
big deal because it's exactly what we

858
00:38:36,349 --> 00:38:32,280
did have you know let's say we did have

859
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:36,359
uh other craft that was uh a metallic

860
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:38,460
type of craft a structured metallic

861
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,460
craft perhaps it uses some exotic

862
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:43,920
propulsion technology or whatever but

863
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,440
maybe that's what we knew about okay but

864
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,200
when these orbs showed up uh it

865
00:38:54,349 --> 00:38:51,359
completely threw everyone for a loop

866
00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:54,359
because these weren't the saucers or the

867
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,940
triangles or you name the shape that we

868
00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:59,040
knew about all of a sudden there's these

869
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:01,020
energy orbs and why are they here why

870
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:03,300
are we detecting them and why are they

871
00:39:10,490 --> 00:39:06,540
flying to use uh the lack of a better

872
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:10,500
term fly uh in space in our skies in

873
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,300
some type of controlled fashion what is

874
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,640
that all all about that's what started

875
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,800
the interest and the orbs and eventually

876
00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:18,960
culminated in the working group that

877
00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:21,300
then ensued that when their job was

878
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:23,700
finished that's title 50 the civilian

879
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:26,400
side of the intelligence Community title

880
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:30,060
50 title 10 as Lou would tell you is the

881
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:31,800
Department of Defense uniform services

882
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:36,180
side and then title 10 was all sap

883
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:38,700
that went over to alsap and they they

884
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:41,760
expanded their UFO study in terms of

885
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:43,740
what the Department of Defense really

886
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:47,520
understands and that is threats

887
00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:51,540
threats to our war Fighters and also

888
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:55,800
weapons that may be arrayed against our

889
00:40:01,310 --> 00:39:58,440
war Fighters so you know the W and all

890
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:01,320
set stands for weapon and the T and A

891
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:03,900
Tip stands for threat and that's how the

892
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:05,460
Department of Defense approaches things

893
00:40:10,609 --> 00:40:08,400
about on the civilian side we just

894
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:10,619
wanted to know what the hell were they

895
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:14,160
how do they work and why are they here

896
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,460
um and and that's the focus of what the

897
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:19,680
orb working group did and that

898
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:21,720
information was then I believe tossed

899
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:25,680
over uh to OSAP I I can't believe that

900
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,680
allsap and James lacaski did not know

901
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:30,240
about that orb working group that

902
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:31,320
proceeded

903
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,460
his alsap just by a few years that must

904
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:37,440
have been in the body of knowledge that

905
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,140
allsapp was able to access

906
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:42,240
why do you think there that that's

907
00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:43,680
really fascinating why do you think

908
00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:45,480
there's more

909
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,400
um it seems to me

910
00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:49,440
as far as we know there's more

911
00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:52,460
encounters when it comes to the Navy

912
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:56,339
than there is with the Air Force

913
00:41:01,609 --> 00:40:58,260
um unless I'm getting that wrong I

914
00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:01,619
believe that's that's what we know about

915
00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:04,440
well let's go back in history let's go

916
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:05,540
back to

917
00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:10,560
1946 January 1st 1946 uh Truman

918
00:41:14,569 --> 00:41:12,180
established the National Intelligence

919
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:14,579
Authority under which was established

920
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:18,420
the Central Intelligence group cig and

921
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:21,200
at that time the oldest intelligence

922
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:23,460
organization in the US government was

923
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,460
the Office of Naval intelligence and now

924
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:28,079
we have the newcomers the Central

925
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:31,500
Intelligence group and then there was no

926
00:41:35,810 --> 00:41:33,420
Department of Defense there was no air

927
00:41:38,990 --> 00:41:35,820
force it was the department of the army

928
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:39,000
and they had something called the G2

929
00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:41,880
which was their intelligence person a a

930
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:44,579
very senior General and so when uh

931
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:47,400
Roswell happened you had the Navy

932
00:41:54,109 --> 00:41:50,880
uh the cig which became the CIA and at

933
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:54,119
that time uh Department of war was in

934
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,060
some amorphous State because the defense

935
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,280
department didn't get established until

936
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:00,960
1949.

937
00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:05,760
in 1947 uh when uh the National Security

938
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:08,040
Act was signed it was called the

939
00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:11,220
National military establishment so the

940
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:14,820
real intelligence outfits were cig with

941
00:42:19,069 --> 00:42:17,640
its lineage to OSS and you had the

942
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:19,079
Office of Naval intelligence working

943
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,339
together

944
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:21,839
and so that's why the Navy's been

945
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:25,440
involved from the get-go uh as we

946
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,560
proceed forward it became known that

947
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:31,440
some of these craft these structured

948
00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:34,020
metallic craft had undersea capabilities

949
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:36,300
and that they were being detected Under

950
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:40,619
the Sea now okay why is that well does

951
00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:42,780
the Air Force have

952
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:46,680
nuclear weapons in 1947 yes they did but

953
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:49,020
it was the department of Army's gravity

954
00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:52,800
gravity drop atomic bombs

955
00:42:59,950 --> 00:42:56,339
um in the 1950s before we built uh

956
00:43:02,089 --> 00:42:59,960
ballistic missiles uh we we also had

957
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:02,099
nuclear-powered ships that we also had

958
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:03,540
uh

959
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:05,700
nuclear-powered submarines and we also

960
00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:08,040
had ballistic missiles along with the

961
00:43:13,849 --> 00:43:11,460
Air Forces uh early ballistic missiles

962
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:13,859
carrying nuclear warheads but the Navy

963
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:15,300
has been there from the very beginning

964
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:17,160
because of their history with the

965
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:19,560
phenomenon as structured craft under the

966
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,140
sea and the fact that you know I mean

967
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,240
Chi whiz uh

968
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:26,640
the these these aircraft carriers and

969
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,180
these ships are capable of

970
00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:32,640
carrying nuclear weapons I have to be

971
00:43:38,329 --> 00:43:34,920
very careful the Navy likes for me to

972
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:38,339
say capable of not that they are

973
00:43:41,809 --> 00:43:39,960
um but you know these cruise missiles

974
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:41,819
that are launched uh they could easily

975
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:44,220
have a nuclear warhead in a strategic

976
00:43:47,089 --> 00:43:45,119
mode

977
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,099
but usually what you see is the Tactical

978
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:49,440
Warheads so the Navy has a lot of

979
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:52,260
nuclear capability and that's why there

980
00:43:55,849 --> 00:43:53,760
might be interested in what's under the

981
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,859
sea and that's why maybe submarines are

982
00:44:00,829 --> 00:43:58,800
able to detect them under the sea what

983
00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:00,839
we hear from the Air Force a craft like

984
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,200
that hovered over a maelstrom on March

985
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,480
16 1967.

986
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:08,400
that hovered over Maelstrom and so

987
00:44:13,309 --> 00:44:10,680
because of again there was a nuclear

988
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:13,319
Minuteman 2 missiles

989
00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:16,260
uh in those two launch control centers

990
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:18,300
so I think that's the reason why the

991
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,040
Navy has been involved in it it's just

992
00:44:25,849 --> 00:44:22,400
that the ocean is an easy place to hide

993
00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:25,859
we haven't mapped a lot of it and if you

994
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,480
want to hide something I would put it in

995
00:44:31,490 --> 00:44:29,760
the ocean and if these non-human

996
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,500
intelligence beings would want to hide

997
00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:34,079
from us I would go under the water

998
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:38,040
yeah it is pretty amazing when you hear

999
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:40,140
about what they call them fast Walkers

1000
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,839
or fast movers or whatever they are uh

1001
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:44,880
the capabilities of whatever it is that

1002
00:44:51,530 --> 00:44:47,940
they've caught on radar sometimes uh you

1003
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:51,540
know 200 knots which is crazy to think

1004
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:53,579
about the displacement how they could

1005
00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:56,460
move that fast and uh but you know I

1006
00:45:02,410 --> 00:44:59,640
mean as you mentioned Lou Elizondo a few

1007
00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:02,420
times as he talks about the

1008
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,380
intermedia travel uh it just seems

1009
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,359
bizarre that there's no Sonic booms

1010
00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:12,240
there's no uh you know there's no like

1011
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:14,220
splashes people don't talk about

1012
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:16,140
splashes and things like that I mean it

1013
00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:19,260
or uh the movement underwater is just at

1014
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:22,260
crazy speeds it's really quite amazing I

1015
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,060
know I know there are Torpedoes that can

1016
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,640
go that fast under the water and in fact

1017
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:28,800
they actually repel some of the water

1018
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:31,380
ahead of the torpedo which is why they

1019
00:45:36,589 --> 00:45:34,380
can like basically fly under the water

1020
00:45:38,809 --> 00:45:36,599
uh they're flying in air under the water

1021
00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:38,819
because of the repelling factor in front

1022
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:41,700
of the torpedo so 200 knot Torpedoes not

1023
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:45,119
science fiction there are there are ASW

1024
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:47,880
or anti-submarine Warfare weapons that

1025
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,700
can go that fast under the water oh how

1026
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:53,280
about that and have how long have those

1027
00:45:58,849 --> 00:45:56,040
been known to exist

1028
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,859
uh that's the Fairly old technology I

1029
00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:01,680
mean I believe me it takes it takes a

1030
00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:04,200
long time to bring a weapon system into

1031
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:05,880
what we call Initial operating

1032
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:08,579
capability or ioc it takes like

1033
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:11,760
sometimes decades to work on a weapon

1034
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:14,460
system by the time it goes to ioc uh

1035
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,460
it's almost like ready to be replaced uh

1036
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:18,720
with another weapon that will take

1037
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:20,280
another 10 years

1038
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:23,819
um you know that that ASW capability has

1039
00:46:29,089 --> 00:46:25,859
been around for a long time as well as

1040
00:46:32,829 --> 00:46:29,099
uh I would address this uh non-acoustic

1041
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:32,839
ASW detection that is non-sonar

1042
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:36,000
anti-submarine Warfare detection and so

1043
00:46:40,609 --> 00:46:38,040
that's an area that the Navy considers

1044
00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:40,619
to be extremely sensitive and I can't

1045
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:43,079
address it other than to say that there

1046
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:45,960
are ways to detect objects under the

1047
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:49,020
ocean without the use of sonar and I'll

1048
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:50,280
leave it at that

1049
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:52,380
and so if you're wondering how the Navy

1050
00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:54,540
can find these things or maybe if the

1051
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:57,060
Navy detected these things uh that's

1052
00:47:02,270 --> 00:46:59,160
non-acoustic ASW and that's something

1053
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:02,280
that I say Wikipedia is your friend just

1054
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:05,339
Wiki non-acoustic ASW and you can read

1055
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:06,720
all about it

1056
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:08,280
I wonder if anyone ever puts up

1057
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,220
classified stuff up there anonymously

1058
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,160
they do I've read what I would think

1059
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:16,800
that needed to be portion marked at

1060
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,260
least confidential Secret in some of

1061
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,599
these Wikipedia articles

1062
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:23,760
yeah because you you can kind of remain

1063
00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:26,880
anonymous when you're posting things in

1064
00:47:32,089 --> 00:47:29,220
a roundabout way I imagine

1065
00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:32,099
so yeah that uh they but they could

1066
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:33,660
probably the government I'm sure could

1067
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,579
figure it out if they wanted to track

1068
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:37,200
someone down here's an interesting

1069
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:39,060
question if you were released from all

1070
00:47:43,550 --> 00:47:41,700
ndas do you have information you are

1071
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:43,560
currently unable to share that you

1072
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:45,240
believe would radically change the

1073
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:48,300
general population skepticism of the UAP

1074
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:52,079
UFO phenomena uh without saying what

1075
00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:54,060
that might be my answer is yes

1076
00:47:59,630 --> 00:47:56,760
as I said before I I do know something

1077
00:48:01,309 --> 00:47:59,640
that I did share uh with people

1078
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,319
authorized to receive that information

1079
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:03,359
in a secure location

1080
00:48:07,069 --> 00:48:05,460
and they concurred that they also know

1081
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:07,079
this information as well so I wasn't

1082
00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:09,060
telling them anything new what that

1083
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:17,270
but it would change I sort of got this

1084
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:19,500
I sort of got the same answer or a

1085
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:21,480
similar answer from Lu Elizondo when I

1086
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:23,400
asked I asked him that question

1087
00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:27,119
so yeah and it's kind of like we really

1088
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:29,160
would love to know but I I totally

1089
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:30,660
understand how much trouble you would

1090
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:33,780
get in and also uh he would get in and

1091
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:37,260
uh you know so you just have to you have

1092
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:39,420
to think about all that before you you

1093
00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:41,339
know you don't want to end up in jail I

1094
00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:42,660
don't know what I don't know what the

1095
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:44,099
penalties are

1096
00:48:48,410 --> 00:48:47,400
if you disclose something you lose your

1097
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:48,420
pension

1098
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,420
well uh what it would be is a all

1099
00:48:56,170 --> 00:48:54,240
expense paid vacation to the Allen wood

1100
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:56,180
Federal correction unit in Pennsylvania

1101
00:49:01,309 --> 00:48:59,220
and I don't want to go there

1102
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:01,319
so that's what it would be and it'll

1103
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:04,500
probably be for 20 years oh isn't that

1104
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,540
something wow

1105
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:09,359
uh let's see uh here's another question

1106
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,180
by the same person did the orbs have a

1107
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:14,160
defiant spherical surface or were they

1108
00:49:18,609 --> 00:49:15,900
just bright objects

1109
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:18,619
uh I would say that they were spherical

1110
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:20,940
uh whether there's something solid

1111
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:24,480
underneath the 600 nanometer light

1112
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:27,599
around it that was shining from it uh I

1113
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:29,220
don't know I don't know if we were able

1114
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:31,740
to discern anything solid I would say

1115
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:35,400
that it was a circular spherical objects

1116
00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:39,119
uh and the the they were able to measure

1117
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:42,420
the radiance the how bright it was

1118
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:43,380
um

1119
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:45,720
and they were able to measure where in

1120
00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:47,940
the color spectrum where in the electro

1121
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:50,339
Optical Spectrum it fell it was 600

1122
00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:53,400
nanometers which is uh orange red

1123
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:55,380
so are you you're basically answering

1124
00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:57,660
this question how does an orb show up on

1125
00:50:01,550 --> 00:49:59,400
instruments or visually differently from

1126
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,560
say a metallic use more or less just

1127
00:50:05,809 --> 00:50:04,079
answered that question right yeah the

1128
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:05,819
metallic sphere would reflect uh

1129
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,119
electromagnetic energy uh Radar Radar uh

1130
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:11,280
wave waveforms

1131
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:13,980
so you know you shine uh you paint it as

1132
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:15,900
we say we paint the object with a radar

1133
00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:18,060
beam and you might get some reflection

1134
00:50:22,430 --> 00:50:21,180
back from it so that's how you know that

1135
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,440
there's something metallic something

1136
00:50:27,470 --> 00:50:24,960
that is able to reflect electromagnetic

1137
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:27,480
energy having said that that sometimes

1138
00:50:31,490 --> 00:50:29,700
if you have a plasma feel around that

1139
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:31,500
type of object you will not get that

1140
00:50:36,829 --> 00:50:34,680
deflection back a reflection back

1141
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,839
um in a way that you can see it but you

1142
00:50:40,730 --> 00:50:38,640
won't be able to like track it with

1143
00:50:43,210 --> 00:50:40,740
radar there are ways to track these

1144
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:43,220
things using passive coherent location

1145
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:46,440
PCL that's another thing that Wikipedia

1146
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:48,180
is your friend uh you can look at

1147
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:50,700
passive coherent location or passive

1148
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:54,900
radar where uh I'm of the age that I

1149
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,079
remember with our uh TVs with the

1150
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:00,720
antenna on the roof uh that every time a

1151
00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:03,720
plane would fly over our town that the

1152
00:51:08,329 --> 00:51:05,880
TV would go all wonky for a while and

1153
00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:08,339
that's known as multi-path that plane

1154
00:51:13,549 --> 00:51:10,980
was reflecting the TV signal not only

1155
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,559
the TV signal coming from directly from

1156
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:15,359
the transmitter antenna of the station

1157
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:17,400
but the single reflected off of that

1158
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:21,000
plane back to uh our antenna on the roof

1159
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:22,920
and so if you have a lot of these

1160
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:25,619
receivers with these antennas if you

1161
00:51:30,650 --> 00:51:28,380
have something flying through that field

1162
00:51:33,049 --> 00:51:30,660
of energy you should get some

1163
00:51:35,770 --> 00:51:33,059
Reflections back and the more receivers

1164
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:35,780
you have you ever able then triangulate

1165
00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:39,480
and locate and track where that object

1166
00:51:46,010 --> 00:51:43,020
might be going and so uh that was

1167
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,020
something of interest to our good friend

1168
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:48,960
Dr Ronald s pandolfi

1169
00:51:55,849 --> 00:51:51,960
um he was working with Lockheed Martin

1170
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:55,859
on a project called Silent Sentry to do

1171
00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:58,260
just that to use non-cooperative

1172
00:52:03,049 --> 00:52:01,319
emitters to be able to track stealthy

1173
00:52:05,569 --> 00:52:03,059
Airborne objects

1174
00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:05,579
and to be able to triangulate and

1175
00:52:11,569 --> 00:52:07,980
correlate that so you can have a pretty

1176
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:11,579
good track of where that object might be

1177
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:14,280
and then you can then by doing that you

1178
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:16,200
can apply other sensors toward that

1179
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,160
object

1180
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,400
to redefine it a little bit better and

1181
00:52:25,069 --> 00:52:22,559
that is the context that I met Dr

1182
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:25,079
pandolfi at a meeting at the defense

1183
00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:28,260
intelligence agency uh the it's called

1184
00:52:35,150 --> 00:52:32,280
Dia uh d as in delta T as in Tangled DT

1185
00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:35,160
that's the Science and Technology side

1186
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:38,520
of the DIA and they they do mazzant

1187
00:52:42,349 --> 00:52:39,900
something known as measurement and

1188
00:52:45,049 --> 00:52:42,359
signature intelligence and that whole

1189
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,059
field is is considered a sub-discipline

1190
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:47,520
of mazzant and that was his uh interest

1191
00:52:51,470 --> 00:52:49,619
when I when I met him

1192
00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:51,480
you know we I can't believe this the

1193
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:53,819
time has gone by so fast of course I've

1194
00:52:58,190 --> 00:52:55,920
been out of it for a little bit but um

1195
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,200
we only have a minute left uh

1196
00:53:02,450 --> 00:52:59,760
unfortunately I feel like I need to get

1197
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:02,460
you back on to talk to talk some more

1198
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:04,920
but um I I just don't trust this

1199
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:07,680
internet to keep going and uh one of the

1200
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:10,200
one of the uh questions I wanted to ask

1201
00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:11,700
you and I don't know you can't really

1202
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:14,579
answer in a minute but um don't we have

1203
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,220
or would you even know this if we have

1204
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:19,680
satellites that would be able to uh

1205
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:26,049
of course

1206
00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:29,400
and who has who gets that information

1207
00:53:35,809 --> 00:53:31,800
or right now U.S space force

1208
00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:35,819
space forces space situational awareness

1209
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,559
and so

1210
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,079
um they have uh you know the Air Force

1211
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:42,480
has wings they have deltas

1212
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:44,339
and so they have a Delta for

1213
00:53:47,809 --> 00:53:45,599
intelligence surveillance and

1214
00:53:51,049 --> 00:53:47,819
reconnaissance they have a Delta for

1215
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,059
orbital Warfare and so they also have a

1216
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:53,760
Delta for ballistic missile defense and

1217
00:53:58,849 --> 00:53:56,460
so the combination of these Deltas

1218
00:54:01,069 --> 00:53:58,859
um as part of you know our space

1219
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:01,079
situational awareness uh they will be

1220
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,200
able to detect these types of objects uh

1221
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:06,960
by the way a ballistic missile

1222
00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:09,240
when it's launched it's basically a

1223
00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:12,599
space rocket it goes up about 700 miles

1224
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,660
above the surface of the Earth and so

1225
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:17,760
that's above where some of our

1226
00:54:22,609 --> 00:54:20,760
satellites are are orbiting in low earth

1227
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,619
orbit but we have other satellites that

1228
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:25,520
are able to detect that primarily the

1229
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:28,740
space-based infrared system Seavers

1230
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:32,040
um sbirs which replaced the old defense

1231
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:34,980
support program the DSP program and so

1232
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:36,420
these satellites are able to detect

1233
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:37,980
objects like that

1234
00:54:43,790 --> 00:54:41,280
hmm interesting well it went way too

1235
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,800
quickly and uh I apologize for the

1236
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:46,319
internet issues and it's always a great

1237
00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:48,839
pleasure to to speak with you John yeah

1238
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:50,520
I apologize because uh there's no such

1239
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,240
thing as a short answer from me no I

1240
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:57,119
love it so yeah yeah all right you take

1241
00:55:02,569 --> 00:55:00,480
care all right bye-bye bye now

1242
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,579
all right everyone so thank you so much

1243
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,079
we'll be back next week with Charles

1244
00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:07,200
Lear and remember to keep your eyes to

1245
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:07,990
the sky

1246
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:19,200
foreign